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Supreme Court Issues Ruling Temporarily Blocking Alien Enemies Act Deportations
The ruling held that migrants detained under AEA had not been given adequate notice of their potential deportation. It also reflects the Court's growing distrust of the Trump Administration.

Today, in AARP v. Trump, the Supreme Court issued a ruling blocking deportation of a group of Venezuelan migrants the Trump Administration had been trying to use the Alien Enemies Act of 1798 deport to imprisonment in El Salvador. The AEA allows detention and deportation of foreign citizens of relevant states (including legal immigrants, as well as illegal ones) "[w]henever there is a declared war between the United States and any foreign nation or government, or any invasion or predatory incursion is perpetrated, attempted, or threatened against the territory of the United States by any foreign nation or government."
The Supreme Court's latest ruling doesn't address the issue of whether the administration's invocation of the AEA is legal, though multiple lower courts have ruled it is not, because there is no war, "invasion," or "predatory incursion" going on (only one badly flawed ruling goes the other way on "predatory incursion"). Instead, a 7-2 majority holds only that Venezuelan detainees slated for deportation under the AEA in the Northern District of Texas are entitled to a temporary injunction blocking deportation, because they were not granted adequate notice:
[I]n J. G. G. [the Court's first ruling on Trump AEA deportations], this Court explained—with all nine Justices agreeing—that "AEA detainees must receive notice . . . that they are subject to removal under the Act . . . within a reasonable time and in such a manner as will allow them to actually seek habeas relief " before removal. 604 U. S., at ____ (slip op., at 3). In order to "actually seek habeas relief," a detainee must have sufficient time and information to reasonably be able to contact counsel, file a petition, and pursue appropriate relief. The Government does not contest before this Court the applicants' description of the notice afforded to AEA detainees in the Northern District of Texas, nor the assertion that the Government was poised to carry out removals imminently. The Government has represented elsewhere that it is unable to provide for the return of an individual deported in error to a prison in El Salvador, see Abrego Garcia v. Noem, No. 25−cv−951 (D Md.), ECF Docs. 74, 77, where it is alleged that detainees face indefinite detention, see Application for Injunction 11. The detainees' interests at stake are accordingly particularly weighty. Under these circumstances, notice roughly 24 hours before removal, devoid of information about how to exercise due process rights to contest that removal, surely does not pass muster. But it is not optimal for this Court, far removed from the circumstances on the ground, to determine in the first instance the precise process necessary to satisfy the Constitution in this case. We remand the case to the Fifth Circuit for that purpose.
To be clear, we decide today only that the detainees are entitled to more notice than was given on April 18, and we grant temporary injunctive relief to preserve our jurisdiction while the question of what notice is due is adjudicated.
In a highly unusual earlier ruling in this same case, the Supreme Court literally issued an order blocking deportation in the middle of the night. The per curiam majority opinion in today's ruling recounts the circumstances of that previous episode, and its relevance to the current decision. The combination of that earlier ruling and today's decision reflects the majority's growing distrust of the Trump Administration's handling of AEA - and perhaps other - deportations. Note the reference to the Administration's refusal to return an illegally deported migrant in the Abrego Garcia case.
I could be wrong, and my record as a Supreme Court prognosticator is far from perfect. But I think when the Court does review the Administration's use of the AEA more fully, they are unlikely to be deferential. In a concurring opinion, Justice Kavanaugh argues the Court should immediately move to resolve the broader issues at stake, in this very case. All or most of the other justices must have disagreed. But it seems likely these issues will return to the Court sooner or later.
In a forceful dissent joined by Clarence Thomas, Justice Samuel Alito disputes the majority's characterization of the facts (contending, among other things, that deportation wasn't really imminent) and argues the Supreme Court lacked jurisdiction to consider the case at this time. I will not go into these points in detail. But I think the majority's account is more persuasive, and also that the Administration does not deserve the benefit of the doubt in such matters, given their earlier shenanigans in Abrego Garcia, and at least one of the AEA cases.
Justice Alito also argues that class action certification is inappropriate in a habeas case, like this one. I will leave that issue to habeas and class action experts, except to note that multiple lower courts have certified habeas classes in AEA cases, and doing so may be the only way to ensure meaningful due process for detained migrants threatened with deportation.
For the moment, as Georgetown Prof. Steve Vladeck notes,"[b]ecause lower courts have blocked use of the act in every other district in which the president has sought to invoke it, that means it's effectively pausing all removals under the act until the 5th Circuit – and, presumably, the Supreme Court itself – conclusively resolves whether they're legal and how much process is due if so." The legal battle over Trump's invocation of the AEA will surely continue, and I will have more to say about it in due time.
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TL,DR Alito:
"Doesn't matter that the prisoner has a blindfold, is lined up against the wall, is smoking a cigarette, and the firing squad has loaded their rifles. We don't have jurisdiction because the officer hasn't ordered 'Ready, Aim' yet. Petitioners were at fault because they didn't give the district court 24 hours to rule."
Alito pretends to believe things that government lawyers say. Thomas just wants to hurt people.
The other members of the Court no longer believe and haven't lived a life of bitterness.
Alito is at war with everything not aligned with Trump and MAGA. It’s that simple with him. Also, he and Thomas make a lot of money from the MAGA-verse.
The other members of the Court no longer believe...
I assume that you mean they no longer believe things that government lawyers say.
Any normal person who has been paying attention for the last nine years or so would come to the conclusion that you can't believe anything that Trump asserts, and since he basically dictates what the DOJ says, you can't believe anything they say either.
Maybe this is finally dawning on several members of the Court. One can only hope.
"Any normal person who has been paying attention for the last nine years or so would come to the conclusion that you can't believe anything that Trump asserts,"
He's not a figure out of a Greek logic problem, you know. Any reasonable person would come to the conclusion that you can't believe everything that Trump asserts. But he is frequently telling the truth, and why not? Sometimes the truth is going to favor him.
Politicians as a class are notoriously dishonest. It was late in life, but Trump finally found his true calling.
Parse harder.
Like what argument are you even making? Alito is right? The government’s trust us argument in this case is legit?
No, the argument I'm making is that a lot of the complaints about Trump are so over the top they're clinical. I am so sick of the whole "spastic ultra-Hitler" genre I want to puke.
Yeah, Trump lies, a lot. But he actually does tell the truth a lot, too. In fact, a lot of the hatred of him is due to the fact that he wasn't lying about a lot of his campaign promises!
Yes, an interesting analysis.
I agree that much of the outrage on the left is that Trump lies better, and more effectively, than they do. Sometimes on issues that intrude on their turf. They really do not like the economic message that illegal immigrants are hurting the American working class. Because the working class fully supports the idea of mass deportations of illegals. (Not a lie)
So in this post about a particular case and the credibility of a particular argument you want to blow it out to talk about how saying Trump always lies isn’t strictly true
Oh, and it’s sad how Dems hate him. You, who still hump Clinton conspiracies from 30 years ago.
Good lord you can’t help yourself.
If we're going to talk about humping conspiracies...
Was the Steele dossier accurate? Was it Hunter Biden's laptop? Was Joe Biden perfectly fine throughout his presidency? Was Robert Hur's investigation and determinations about Biden, and the recordings of his interview with him, a ginormous cheap fake, a false partisan hit job?
How have you been treating any of the people who trafficked in this stuff?
No, I'm not going to accept you denigrating Bellmore's truthiness when you give a pass to many others for their conspiracies. Especially when the post you're replying to makes no reference of any conspiracies.
Remember, I'm not the one who raised the credibility issue, based on past conspiracies. It wasn't Bellmore either. That would be you.
Incredible response to my pointing out Brett couldn't stay on subject or in scope.
Look, Sarcastr0, you don't get to pick MY subject. Just get over that idea already.
Proving only that your anonymous sub-par existence needs propping up. Pretends, wants, no longer believe --- this is you all over, no rational arugment but like a monkey you think you know WHY people do what they do "Me throw banana at marxist deconstrutionist homophobe"
Just.
Ignore.
Them.
Fuck the courts. They are owed no deference.
Let them enforce their own rulings.
“Smoking a Cigarette”??
Thats really unhealthy for the members of the Firing Squad, the condemned should be more considerate
I'm the sympathetic to the rule of law argument and this "novel" use of the Alien Enemies Act if someone were to be employing it in good faith. Most though are not. They know there is no way to provide "due process" to 20 million people here illegally in any reasonable time frame, so their actual goal is to just to keep as many illegal immigrants in America as possible, as doing so eventually serves their electoral goals.
It takes a lot of chutzpah to complain about “bad faith” and then just lie about 20 million people. And again, the AEA has nothing to do with illegal immigration.
But I’ll reiterate what I’ve said elsewhere: if one’s preferred policy is incompatible with due process, then it’s one’s policy that’s the problem, not due process.
And if your desire for due process would have the effect of destroying the United States, your desire is the problem.
If the National Guard can staff hospitals, it can staff courts.
There is no requirement that a judge have attended law school, be a member of the bar, or even know anything about the law. John Marshall didn't attend law school, I've seen articles about how 18 year old high school students have been elected as traffic court judges, and there are a lot of incompetent judges.
Hence have the National Guard be immigration judges -- the illegal aliens get their hearing, told the answer is "no" and then get kicked out. We can have hearings in tents or in FEMA trailers.
It sounds a lot like Dr. Ed 2 wants those National Guard to be told to rule "no" in advance of an actual hearing; not due process. (Based on a long pattern of commenting, if any National Guard ruled "yes", Dr. Ed 2 would be first to call for court martial or more likely murder.)
Or civil war. Don’t forget civil war (he certainly hasn’t).
The United States isn't worth saving without due process.
It's not worth saving if it'll be a third world country in 40 years if your people get their way.
So decades from now somehow the nation will fail? And that’s based on illegal immigration? An eventuality that hasn’t happened ever in the entire history of the country? You have a rich fantasy life.
my dude, the AEA isn't about illegal immigration, like at all.
Of course it is. Trump is trying to use it to remove illegal immigrants. Maybe a certain subset of illegal immigrants, but illegal immigrants nonetheless.
No. He's trying to use it to remove people here legally. Maybe a few of them are here illegally — in which case they can be removed through the standard methods — but the majority are not, which is why Trump is so desperate not to let them have hearings.
Okay, so say they're here as "asylum seekers." If Trump said "Yeah, no, we're going to deport you, not through the aliens act, but we're going to administratively deny asylum, you people will be back saying that these people have a Constitutional right to have an appropriate asylum hearing, through a real court. I know the way you thugs operate.
administratively deny asylum
That's not allowed as a blanket thing.
“ They know there is no way to provide "due process" to 20 million people here illegally”
So the ridiculous 15 million number has now grown to an even-more-absurd 20 million? Are you claiming that was just during Biden’s Presidency?
Also, “It would be too hard” isn’t a valid reason to ignore the Constitution.
TLDR you and the lessor 7: "Illegal alien and murderous gang bangers MUST stay here because its not right MAN"
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Now the Marxist Trump-haters can celebrate having illegal criminal gang members in the USA longer.
Are there Marxist Trump lovers? Other than Putin?
Oh and by the way how do you know they're gang members? Because whatever the government says you believe? How libertarian of you.
I do not. Maybe some non-gang-members will also get deported.
And sent to live in an El salvardan hellhole. This doesn't bother you because as a good faithful MAGA you have successfully excised empathy or compassion from your soul.
Says the person supportive of women and kids being raped as long as he does not have to deal with it.
Remember when Trump was excoriated for calling countries third world shitholes?
Why do you think Schlafly cares? He’s just an out and out racist that enjoys seeing non-WASPS suffer.
“WASP”, such a stupid acronym, are there any “Black Anglo-Saxon Protestants”????
Black Anglo-Saxons? Really? Think that through.
Or maybe your point is “White” is redundant. In which case, I suppose it is.
Well there are Black Hebrew Israelites.
"are there any “Black Anglo-Saxon Protestants”????"
B. Hussain Obama.
Umm -- the "P" stands for "Protestant" -- and I believe he is Catholic. Both of his parents were.
He's also a nice person.
This is a phyrric victory, much as Dred Scott was -- it also was 7-2...
So when the government deports you for being a non-naturalized Venezuelan member of TdA, your response will be to shrug your shoulders and mutter “it’d sure have been nice if there were a court that could hear my claim that I was born in the United States and have no connection to Venezuela whatsoever, but them’s the breaks”?
I thought this was supposed to be a legal blog? No decent lawyer answers Hypotheticals, it’s like asking Bill Cosby if he would use the “Date Rape” drug with Rosey O’Donnell (I would, on myself)
Wow, I did several replies on contrafacttuals and hypotheticals as logically foolish. Where were you ????
They don't actually care one way or another about having criminal gang members. What they want is downtrodden third world illegal immigrants whose children will vote for Democrats. They're already gleeful about the prospect of Texas flipping blue from the influx of these people.
"They don't actually care one way or another about having criminal gang members. What they want is downtrodden third world illegal immigrants whose children will vote for Democrats. They're already gleeful about the prospect of Texas flipping blue from the influx of these people."
Every justice appointed by Trump joined in this decision. Every single one. Other Trump and republican judicial appointees have issued similar injunctions in the district courts. Might you consider the possibility that this decision wasn't driven by leftism at all? That maybe it is a genuine belief -- a belief that for years was a Hallmark of the right -- that unchecked federal power is a bad thing and that the constitutional guarantee of due process has always been among the most important protections of individual liberty?
I'd also point out that the principal target of Trump's AEA executive order was Venezuelans. There has been a massive outflow of people from Venezuela over the past twenty five years -- around 25% of the population has fled from what was once one of the wealthiest and most highly educated countries in South America. These people were fleeing from the repression and economic collapse caused by a left wing autocrat (Chavez) and his successor (Maduro). But for Trumpism, they might have been natural allies of the right, as the Cubans were before them.
These people created the problem in Venezuela through their votes. Why would you think they'd have been natural allies? Most of the former wealthy class in Venezuela were Spanish criollos. Most of the migrants we're getting are at least of 50% indigenous genetics.
Millions of illegals, including vast numbers of gangs and other criminals, allowed, encouraged, some actually flown in, by the corrupt and incompetent Biden regime but efforts to deport even the worst of the worst are blocked endlessly. That’s bad enough. But to stymie any effort to address the invasion of illegals, the federal courts, lead by the SCt, proceed to expand their powers, infringing on executive and legislative authority and expanding their own jurisdiction. And those who absurdly accuse the duly elected President of being a fascist dictator destroying democracy cheer on the judicial abuses, like they cheered on the disgraceful lawfare abuses. Almost seems like they really don’t give a flying f about democracy or the Constitution.
The thing that really burns me about it is that they were AWOL during Covid. As bad or worse was going on then, and the Court didn't give a damn. Or take how lazy they are about policing the circuits that are shitting all over the 2nd amendment and defying their own rulings.
It's not so much that they shouldn't be requiring the Trump administration to do things lawfully. They should!
It's the CONTRAST. THIS is a big freaking emergency, and that wasn't/isn't?
As they did then, like they're doing now when infringing on legislative and executive domains, the Court is playing politics.
John Roberts is, easily, the worst Chief Justice we have ever had. SCOTUS was already hated by the Left and now the Right dislikes them also. Fuck the lot of them.
Seems the "umpire" needs new glasses.
Your belief that cases should be decided differently (especially when that belief ignores things like the rule of law and jurisdiction) does not make John Roberts the worst Chief Justice ever. Roger Taney would like a word.
Supreme Court freedom to navigate here is constrained by the actions of lower courts. Yes, I realize in this case people think the Court is being selective with whether it has jurisdiction and its willingness to act accordingly (Alito and Thomas dissents). Much of this carping is because people like you want Roberts to reach down and smack judges like Boasberg directly. Not how any of that works.
I think the administration is picking this fight on the AEA because it wants to lose, to have a campaign issue, while it also wouldn't mind winning. This is being pursued because Stephen Miller, not a lawyer, would like to be able to do this--no matter what the law says. And Trump, also not a lawyer, is perfectly willing to go along. Because his entire existence is based on the idea of trying to find out how much you can get away with. But for them, winning is losing. So people like you will vilify John Roberts. Unfortunately ignoring Sotomayor. Big stupid.
The problem with Roberts is he's like the bullied kid who wants to be liked by everyone. So he splits the baby and has no principles. Instead, everyone hates him.
There is a reason why I am comparing these decisions to the Dred Scott decisions.
Yes: because you were dropped on your head many times as a baby.
Ha!
The courts routinely struck down Biden's anti-Covid efforts. WTF are you talking about?
Yes, sending people to a foreign torture prison which officials openly boast is irreversible is an emergency, and you having to wear a mask is not.
In a forceful dissent joined by Clarence Thomas, Justice Samuel Alito disputes the majority's characterization of the facts (contending, among other things, that deportation wasn't really imminent) and argues the Supreme Court lacked jurisdiction to consider the case at this time. I will not go into these points in detail.
Really? B/c it is too soon for SCOTUS to speak to the merits (this needs to 'bubble up' from the circuit courts). It should however, allow the deportations.
Point of information - the S.Ct. order expressly allows deportations under any authority other than the AEA issue under dispute. The last line of the 7-2 majority addresses your wish:
This isn't rocket surgery. The S.Ct. is not interfering with normal lawful procedures; they're just putting a pause on "we can put people in box cars and ship them to camps in Poland if we want to" type claims that give Stephen Miller a stiffy.
They are interfering. and your stupidly written attempt to show they aren't , does the opposite !!!! Either the law allows it or it doesn't. You are another one of those Opposite-of-a-lawyer types that has to argue as if you can see someone's secret thoughts and know their motivating urges"
You are an anti-law white supremacist type. Deliverance, every seen the movie
Hey C_XY, do you still think there was no way that ICE was trying to put people on airplanes in the pre-dawn hours on Saturday morning of Easter weekend? How did swallowing what the Trump administration told the courts turn out for you?
YOu never mention how you feel about wife-beating. human-trafficking MS-13 members.
If you ever find any evidence one of those actually exists, let us know.
No, the Court (in its courageously unsigned opinion) should not have granted injunctive relief for the reasons noted by the dissent:
First and most important, we lack jurisdiction and therefore have no authority to issue any relief. Second, even if we had such authority, the applicants have not satisfied the requirements for the issuance of injunctive relief pending appellate review. Third, granting certiorari before any decision on the merits has been made by either the District Court or the Court of Appeals is unwarranted.
Some federal courts, including the S.Ct. are acting lawlessly. And the S.Ct may be the worst of the bad court actors. Constitutional limits on its authority don't exist anymore, as long as they cry "emergency." "It has plucked a case from a district court and decided important issues in the first instance. To my eyes, that looks far too much like an expansion of our original jurisdiction."
Yawn. Tell us again how butthurt you are.
Tell us more about how Trump is leading, please.
It would be okay if you weren't so stupidly oblivious to how your post fits Abraham Lincoln and habeas corpus
LINCOLN
To state the question more directly, Are all the laws but one to go unexecuted, and the Government itself go to pieces lest that one be violated? Even in such a case, would not the official oath be broken if the Government should be overthrown when it was believed that disregarding the single law would tend to preserve it? But it was not believed that this question was presented. It was not believed that any law was violated. The provision of the Constitution that "the privilege of the writ of habeas corpus shall not be suspended unless when, in cases of rebellion or invasion, the public safety may require it" is equivalent to a provision--is a provision-that such privilege may be suspended when, in cases of rebellion or invasion, the public safety does require it.
Alito's statement is premised on accepting the government's account of the facts that no emergency existed because no deportation was imminent. The other seven aren't buying it. They believe Trump and his lawyers have their pants on fire. That's one of the two large takeaways from this decision.
The other is the certification of a putative class for temporary relief even though that class may not be certified later on. This statement explains how the Court reached that conclusion:
How does "The Government may remove the named plaintiffs or putative class members under other lawful authorities." interact with "They believe Trump and his lawyers have their pants on fire."?
Does it lead to, "No, we think you removed the plaintiff under the AEA, and just claimed to be doing it under this other authority!"?
I doubt it. I expect that following normal INA procedures has a paper trail, for one thing. And detainees with representation will have a lawyer in the loop.
The government lied about not imminently removing people under the AEA. Therefore, they can't be trusted and the injunction holds as to AEA removals. There is no interaction with lawful removals under other authorities.
Yet as I read what you argue. You are saying recognizes an independent access to facts and public good that the Judiciary does not and cannot have. Whereas the rest of the judges are not wanting to buy it. Kagan, Jackson, and Sotomayor make no case at all. And again reminds me of K and S during the recent case about parents absenting their young children from homosexual perveristy books in class. Both said in effect" Yeah, of course this is fine but we hesitate because we are having trouble drawing the line, what if parents want to take kids out of Math class"
Contempt for justice,cavilling about mindless legalisms and most of all two Justices with no kids worrying that parents who care enough to shield their kids from homosexual perversion will not want their kids to learn math"
What the Hell I said to myself. WHAT THE HELL
“ from homosexual perveristy books in class”
What, exactly, is a homosexual perversity book? One that mentions homosexuals, like Heather Has Two Mommies? Or one by an author with the last name Gay (no homosexual references whatsoever)?
“ who care enough to shield their kids from homosexual perversion”
That sounds like a parent who would, in fact, keep knowledge from their children if they didn’t like it.
Neither Justice Scam Alito nor Riva has a clue as to the original jurisdiction of SCOTUS. No one has sued out an original action in SCOTUS nor sought leave for filing any such petition.
The instant per curiam order is an exercise of appellate jurisdiction before judgment pursuant to 28 U.S.C. § 2101(e) and Supreme Court Rule 11.
Whatever they purport to call it, it is what in fact the Court is doing. "It has plucked a case from a district court and decided important issues in the first instance. To my eyes, that looks far too much like an expansion of our original jurisdiction." I know you're really obsessed with source attribution, NG, but if you're confused as to the source of this quote, then I'm afraid you'll never understand its substance.
It would be an expansion of original jurisdiction if it were not the case that
That is, Alito concedes there is appellate jurisdiction if the facts are as the majority state them. In other words, Alito think the facts support the government telling the truth and the majority think the government's pants are on fire.
Riva, to paraphrase Donald Rumsfeld, you go to court with the law you have, not the law you might want or wish to have at a later time.
A question for you NG on the Abrego Garcia case.
We have disagreed on whether Xinis could hold the government in civil contempt with no ability to appeal if she holds they are not facilitating his return because I think that would be in effect a final judgment and you don't. But, let's leave that aside.
Today, Xinis expressed frustration that she isn't getting enough information from the government to make a judgment on their state secrets claim for not handing over information. Of course, a civil contempt order with no ability to appeal would be justified for not handing over information (unlike above, there is clearly no final judgment). But, my question is whether the state secrets doctrine is a defense to a civil contempt order.
Without having done a deep dive into the issue, that, I think, presents a question of first impression.
"Judicial control over the evidence in a case cannot be abdicated to the caprice of executive officers." United States v. Reynolds, 345 U.S. 1, 9-10 (1953). The Supreme Court there opined that:
Id., at 310. The Court there elaborated:
Id., at 11. The District Court, however, is not toothless in the face of an insincere invocation of the state secrets privilege:
Boumediene v. Bush, 553 U.S. 723, 796 (2008). Per Fed.R.Evid. 104(a), "The court must decide any preliminary question about whether a witness is qualified, a privilege exists, or evidence is admissible. In so deciding, the court is not bound by evidence rules, except those on privilege."
IOW, the facile assertion of the state secrets privilege is not a get out of jail free card.
And of course, the Supreme Court has concluded that a party to litigation may not immediately appeal a civil contempt order. Fox v. Capital Co., 299 U.S. 105, 107 (1936) ("The rule is settled in this Court that except in connection with an appeal from a final judgment or decree, a party to a suit may not review upon appeal an order fining or imprisoning him for the commission of a civil contempt."); United States v. Myers, 593 F.3d 338, 344 (4th Cir. 2010).
This is the parent tellling the 30 year-old child "yes I trust your judgement but clear it with me until you get older" What is Trump Executive for if Roberts gets to look over his shoulder every day.
Thanks.
My take is this ought to be treated in the same manner immunity claims are treated before a verdict in a criminal trial. In that case, a decision by the trial judge not to grant immunity from prosecution is immediately appealable prior to a verdict because if immunity was the right call, the trial should never have happened.
Similarly in this case, if protection due to the state secrets privilege is the right call, handing over information should never have happened. The issue should be decided on appeal before final judgment even after a civil contempt order. I understand that would require a new exception to the rule you quoted.
"Of course, a civil contempt order with no ability to appeal would be justified for not handing over information "
What the what? Civil contempt for failing to provide information is immediately appealable under 28 USC 1826, and such appeal must be heard within 30 days.
That applies to non-parties (witnesses). See NG's reply above for precedent on parties to the litigation (in this case, Rubio and Noem are named parties) not being able to appeal a civil contempt order until final judgment.
Xinis can go fuck herself and the government should refuse to see her, speak to her, send her info, etc.
Put her in her place.
You’re just going with straight autocrat government rule, eh? The President can’t be questioned and checks and balances aren’t valid?
Commenter_XY, does a despotic government hurriedly loading prisoners onto a conveyance for rapid relocation to another destination trigger any alarm bells for you?
Is your mantra "NEVER AGAIN!! (unless Donald Trump orders it, in which case everything is hunky dory)?
Don't get him excited. Authority figures strutting in front of caged prisoners is pure erotica for a certain political party.
C_XY was very certain that the Trump administration would never try that in the Saturday pre-dawn hours of Easter weekend.
You are worse though because you knew Kamala and Joe were letting millions in with no vetting, setting them in the wilds and wiping their hands. I don't trust your motives.
Honestly , how else could this possible end than how it has.
You're right.
Just execute them. No need to deport. Bullets are cheaper than flights.
Sorry, you don't get to assume a "despotic government" here. That's a political, not a legal framing. Not even if it's true that the Supreme Court actually distrusts the government's behavior with respect to these deportations.
There's a bit of Marbury in that final sentence, acknowledging that the government is still allowed to deport any detainees in these AEA cases under other provisions of immigration law. Because if the Court did not acknowledge that reality, it WOULD be assuming for itself (or allowing a lower court) the authority to pass judgment on EVERY deportation, for a wide a class as the ACLU can cast its net, as MAGA has been accusing it of doing. That is both a legal and a political impossibility.
It should however, allow the deportations.
Absolutely not. Let me ask you this: Suppose the court allows the deportations, as you would like. Then, when the issue "bubbles up" it turns out that many were unlawful on the merits, and that nobody got a chance to challenge their deportation.
Trump has falsely claimed - to your cheers - that there is no way to get Abrego Garcia back. So what happens to the deportees you hate so much?
Just a few more oopsies, nothing to see? Do you even know how deep in moral rot you have sunk?
The historical ignorance of various commentators and the judiciary about the AEA is stunning. Do they believe that the law is only textual with no context? Do they know nothing of the undeclared Quasi War with France, and the targeted group of French provocateurs, like Citizen Genet, who actively subverted the Adam's administration? If they did it would certainly inform them about the definitions of "invasion" and "predatory incursion." Just like the word a historically accurate definition of militia, "adult male citizen in a jurisdiction," informs the second amendment. The fact that commentators and judges refuse to recognize multi-national criminal gangs as "predatory incursions" defies common sense, which is in short supply among the entire legal community at this present time.
Given that the AEA was passed in 1789 and the Citizen Genet affair was in 1793 one wonders how much the latter had to do with the former. Further, if your interpretation were correct, the AEA would not have restricted its terms to nations and countries alone. Yet it did.
And of course it would also mean that only men have a right to arms. Which I am sure would please our MAGA adherents
Thomas G WEst has rebutted that ridiculous claim thoroughly
Off that the 2A crowd wants everybody to be armed. I'd prefer the government demand everybody carry arms over limiting them.
Maybe the Congress should pass the 2A equivalent to the ACA, requiring every adult US citizen to buy and maintain a firearm (or be subject to a tax for failing to do so).
It seems that could be legal (subject to exemptions for various reasons like religious beliefs and exclusions for things like felony convictions).
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The article directly contradicts your claim. It refers to the "Alien Enemies Act of 1798." Your claim that the Alien Enemies Act was passed in 1789 is a blatant fabrication and total falsehood. Since you insist on posting false information you can be safely ignored by anyone seeking the truth of the matter.
Not only do you lie about when the act was passed you do not understand why it was passed either. Washington was in the first year of his first term in 1789 and the United States was still technically allied with France. The Neutrality Proclamation would end that alliance leading to the arrival of French Revolutionary agitators like Genet. Shame on you.
My source was incorrect. It happens. I did not lie. I was mistaken.
But you don't address the point that the act mentions nations and countries specifically.
Out of curiosity, what was your source?
Go straight to the source and ask the Horse, he’ll give you the answer that you’ll endorse, he’s always on a steady course…..
Wilbur Post: (to Mister Ed) Why didn't you talk to my wife?
Mister Ed: I hate skeptics!
Wilbur Post: Thanks Ed, but you could never take Carol's place.
Mister Ed: Why not? I'm more loveable.
Wilbur Post: Ed, a wife is a wife and a horse is a horse.
Mister Ed: Well, have you ever heard of someone say "my kingdom for a wife"?
Abdication of Edward VIII.
Touché!
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https://www.acludc.org/en/cases/jgg-v-trump-challenging-unlawful-use-alien-enemies-act-1789-deport-immigrants-without-due
Look at the URL and header compared to the text below.
You did not list a source so you are the source. You obviously did not even bother to read the article. Shame on you.
You did not list a source so you are the source.
I provided it above in response to Mr Bumble.
Were I to adopt your approach, I would accuse you of lying and note that your response is a blatant fabrication and total falsehood,
As I noted below, the continued presence of British forts in the old Northwest Territory, as a base of operations for British agents to foment mischief on the frontier, perhaps in coordination with others on the settled Atlantic coast, was likely the original motivation for the AEA. European powers viewed the new American republic weak and ripe for manipulation.
Until the peace that followed the War of 1812, foreign provocations on the American frontier (the Ohio old Northwest Territory) were a real issue. The behavior of British agents, stirring up trouble with native Americans and the continued maintenance of military forts in defiance of the Treaty of Paris, were likely the original motivation. French provocateurs in the mid 1790s certainly fit into this same category, further justifying the need for such a law, for situations short of a formal declaration of war.
Hear! Hear! The Burr-Wilkinson affair and the state of Franklin episodes come to mind.
I don't understand what you think the quasi-war, which was (as the name says) not a declared war, and was also not an invasion or predatory incursion, or the Genet affair, which was also not a declared war, and was also not an invasion or predatory incursion, has to do with the AEA.
The AEA only applies to predatory incursions by nations or governments, not "criminal gangs," so even if a criminal gang's activity could count as a predatory incursion, it wouldn't be relevant.
To be clear, since the person is concerned about "lying" and being clear about sources and other details.
"Citizen Genet" was the French envoy.
A change of the guard during the Washington Administration led him to become persona non grata in France. Washington granted him asylum.
Genet wasn't in power during the Adams Administration.
how dare these people focus on the text of the statute rather than all these peripheral curiosities
Do you think Kill-more Garcias has actually killed anyone named “Garcia”???
Due process was owed the millions who came here with no vetting, , no ongoing surveillance and who passed into the great mass of people. Biden failend millions on that initial due process. ANd you and Roberts said nothing.
That's the problem with modern standing doctrine. The 300 million Americans were not entitled to due process to ensure their country was not being flooded with criminals. The 20 million criminals are entitled to the full suite of Constitutional protections, according to the criminal loving left.
yes, EXACTLLY
That's not what due process is, or how it works.
You don't get to curtail the next person's right to due process because of past bad actions. Especially when those 300 million have no "standing" in the next case. That is not the meaning of standing.
I realize the left wants a full suite of constitutional protections for aliens subject to deportation. That is not what the Supreme Court is insisting on here.
And that means, functionally, that once people are allowed to enter America, they'll never be able to be made to leave. You realize that that is your argument taken to its logical conclusion.
No, it doesn't mean that. People get deported all the time under the actual process.
Still are being deported. It just doesn't make the headlines.
This has nothing whatsoever to do with "standing doctrine" and that's not what due process means. It's not even a clever argument; it's gibberish.
"The bank robber didn't provide due process to the bank before he held it up, so this guy who is accused of being the bank robber shouldn't get due process now that he's been arrested."
Of course it is. If anyone had sued the federal government for letting these 20 million migrants in, the courts would have said they had no standing to have the federal government enforce the border in any particular way. Now that these people are here, they are entitled to the full suite of Constitutional protections? Fuck that.
There is an asymmetry between imagined wrongs and actual injury, yeah.
The ruling doesn't block deportations. It just requires some sort of notice so the illegal predatory invaders can exercise their newly granted Democrat rights.
It actually does block deportations (for now). But it requires notice so honest people (e.g., not the Trump administration) can get a chance to determine whether Trump's victims are actually "illegal predatory invaders."
In the interim DHS et al should turn their attention to expeditiously removing anyone with valid orders of deportation and visa over-stayers.
You might want to ask yourself why they’re not doing that, as it may help you understand the psychology of this administration.
The qualitative difference between Somin and Professor Adler posting on the same topic is striking. To Adler's credit, Somin's detriment.
Even, and especially, about the very real and legitimate issue of the Court's (un)willingness to trust the administration in light of recent behaviors in other related immigration cases.
This is a faux constitutional decision. The Court, in holding that 24 hours is not enough notice, gives no citations to support it other than boldly declaring that it "surely" is not enough. What about 48 or 72 hours?
Where in the Fifth Amendment does it say that? Doesn't the fact that given 24 hours notice these litigants were able to get to court, and all the way up to the Supreme Court in 14 hours show that 24 hours IS enough time?
Without some record evidence showing that they were barred from the courts, why is 24 hours not enough to file a one page pro se petition claiming to be lawfully present in the U.S.?
I assume this is the inevitable outcome of our common law tradition, where courts (in this case, the highest so its decisions are final) can craft remedies absent any statutory authority. Seems legit given the origin of habeas petitions in the common law, and that Congress did not more explicitly legislate. The recent Gitmo precedents are relevant, even as I disagree with the one that says the Congress explicitly legislating was still insufficient (but I chalk that up to the Philosopher Justice, the deficiencies of his work being amply demonstrated by the ongoing Gitmo proceedings and the legal commentary around his opinions).
With all due respect — which is to say, none here — GFY. First, the demand for “citations” as to justification for an equitable remedy gives the lie to the claim that you’re a lawyer. Second, if you were arrested in, say, Japan, and given 24 hours notice to file a legal challenge to your arrest before they threw you in a torture prison in a random third country, could you do it? Stop being an asshole.
What kind of lawyer argues that the 5A must dictate the exact level of notice that's needed for that to be binding?
It's been a practice off the break in America and England before it for courts to determine principles as applied to facts by line drawing. Hell, there wasn't even a line drawn here.
Your argument is profoundly ignorant of baseline jurisprudence.
A lot of what bothers people is the truly glacial pace that regular people get access to relief in the courts versus the 14 hours from filing to Supreme Court decision that is afforded to illegal criminal gang members.
We are presumably allowed to have an immigration system, the death penalty, allowed to build roads and bridges, but the courts put so many roadblocks in the way that we can't EFFECTIVELY have any such and other systems and benefits.
It looks like the dice are loaded when they get instant attention from the Supreme Court but "my" problem will likely never made it there and take years or decades to resolve. The system must, at minimum, function. The courts, including the Supreme Court demand so much judicial foot dragging that it won't allow that to happen.
It would seem an easy question to determine if these individuals are legally in this country and deportable. But how long will it take? We saw Garcia who came here illegally in 2011, was found deportable in 2019 and was, until recently, STILL HERE. And if the left had its way, he would still be here.
That is the source for a lot of frustration: the courts can harm you but they can't help you.
>i?And if the left had its way, he would still be here.
I hold no brief for the left but this is inaccurate. Had the regime deported him to Venezuela as a free man without resorting to spurious rationalisations under AEA, few would have cared. If as your handle has it, you're an attorney, you should surely appreciate that not wanting the government to violate rights does not mean you're a fan of the defendant whose rights you wish to protect.
You're confusing cases. Abrego Garcia was not deported under the AEA (and has no connection to Venezuela).
I am indeed. Too much posting and running recently.
In Trump v. Casa, the administration said that Rule 23 class actions are the proper way to get the equivalent of universal injunctions, but reserved the right to challenge particular classes, without saying how it might do so despite repeated questioning.
We know know at least one answer to that question. In AARP, the administration argues that if it simply gives relieve to the lead plaintiffs without giving it to anyone else, the lead plaintiffs no longer represent the class and the class is invalid. This, as the Court doubtless realized, could be applied to EVERY class, rendering class actions completely impotent.
The sheer nakedness of the attempt to defang the courts and prevent them from having power to be anything but minor inconveniences to anything the Executive wishes to do is astonishing.